Talk:Proposals/Obsolete Proposals/Equipment Weights

DEFINITIONS

rookie: a soldier who has between 30-40 strength points, with an encumbered threshold between 15-20kg and a light threshold at 6-8kg.

reasonable vet: a soldier who has gained 5-15 strength points, likely between 40-50 strength points, with an encumbered threshold between 20-25kg and a light threshold at 8-10kg.

strongest vet: a soldier who is exceptional at strength. 60 strenght points, encumbered threshold at 30kgs, light threshold at 12kgs. The player may only have a few of these in an entire game.

Armour

I would suggest differentiating the weights a bit more. Ideally, I'd like a reasonable vet to be able to wear the light armour, a small sidearm and still get the speed boost (under 9-10kgs). If we budget 3kgs for a weapon, that means the light armour should be about 7kgs. Maybe not very realistic, but it works for the game. 12kgs seems about right for the nano armour. It would allow a reasonable vet to equip 8-13kgs of other weaponry but put a strain on weak rookies, giving them only 3kg of weaponry space. Power armour could be heavier, maybe 15kgs. It should require a reasonable vet to be used unencumbered and a strongest vet to be used with heavier weaponry. --H-hour 12:51, 28 September 2012 (SAST)

For light armour we are talking synthetic spider web, so I don't think realism problems should arise form reducing the weight; you know about game balance better than me, so I will trust your judgment in this matters.

--DarkRain 16:40, 30 September 2012 (SAST)

Sniper Weapons

I'd like to reduce slightly some of the sniper rifles, even though I know in real life they are pretty heavy. Aside from close specialists, snipers stand to gain the most from the light threshold. It could make the difference between 1 and 2 aimed shots per turn, or just the ability to move and shoot in a single turn. I'd like to see a reasonable vet able to equip the Sniper Rifle and one reload and still make the light threshold (8-10kg). For this reason, I suggest the Sniper Rifle weigh 7kg. The Bolter can remain heavy. That's a good drawback for the overpowered weapon early in the game and will allow me to scale back the TU penalties for its use. I'd like to see it down around 12kg, though. The player can get it early in the game, so I want a rookie to be able to wield it without getting encumbered. A bolter plus a reload at the current proposed settings (at time of writing) is 15.4kg (unless game counts the ammo in the gun, which would take it to 17.1kg). The coilgun should sit somewhere in between, maybe 9-10kg. --H-hour 13:04, 28 September 2012 (SAST)

This raises a question: should the game count the ammo in the gun? I've started work assuming that should be the case, but what others think?

--DarkRain 16:44, 30 September 2012 (SAST)

I think the game should count ammo inside the gun. Although there are pros and cons to either way, I think it is better to be consistent: if ammo has a weight, it counts in or out of the gun. --H-hour 18:40, 30 September 2012 (SAST)

Assault Weapons

For the most part, I think these numbers are alright. I'll have to do some investigation once the implementation is in master but these are good for a start. Needler might come down a little bit, but since it will mostly be wielded by reasonable vets it may be alright at that weight. --H-hour 14:06, 7 October 2012 (SAST)

Close Weapons

Again, nothing jumps out at me with the raw numbers. But I'll investigate this more closely once the system is implemented, since the light speed bonus will be crucial for these weapons. --H-hour 14:06, 7 October 2012 (SAST)